John O’Callaghan:I don’t want to give it away too much yet. I think the artwork that goes with it is going to say a lot more. And, really, I think we we're just so fed up with being told what to do.
Garrett Nickelsen:Told what kind of band we were.
John O’Callaghan:From people who don’t know who we are. And I think, not just necessarily with music, but in life, I took the approach with writing everything for this record, I took the approach of basically not thinking that everything happens for a reason and that there’s no such thing as fate. I just decided to take the mentality of you create whatever it is you want to create, and that’s the most beautiful thing about being a human being, and about being a free-thinking, free-moving animal, with thumbs and a brain that’s very complex. So that is kind of the essence of what Pioneer means, at least on an elementary level.
Garrett Nickelsen:Yeah, I mean, we’ll talk about it in a bit more detail at some point. But totally.